The Pink and the Black

The Pink and Black glam/goth compilation is one of very few anthologies devoted to glamrock during the last decade. The Pink disc features nineteen different glambands and two special guests - Dee Snider's SMF and Pretty Boy Floyd. All in all this pink project causes chills running up and down my spine. It brings me back to days of glamour, fun, teardrops and sex action. All glamrockers have cried their make-up off through this mess of a decade. The Earthquakes from Seattle caused fatal damage and the glamscene haven't had a chance to recover (cheap shots, what did you expect?). Therefore collections such as "Pink and Black" really do make a difference or at least attempting to (which is almost as admirable). However, what inspired Delinquent Records to compile a collection of glambands? Nancy Chandler explains

Well, the truth is the collection entitled The Pink And The Black is a collection of both goth (being The Black disk) and glam (being The Pink disk) bands. I decided to use these two styles together because goth and glam bands are the only bands left in the music scene who have image and incorporate it with part of their lifestyle and music.

I was completely fed up with the Seattle/grunge/alternative scene which was doing nothing for rock'n'roll except making it extinct!! I was so tired of so much credibility and praise being given by the media to bands like Nirvana, Matchbox 20, and the bands out now in the U.S. who look dirty and have no haircut or image - or if they do it's flannel shirts and baggy pants and dirty tennis shoes (that is nothing to look at from the viewpoint of a fan). And face it - rock'n'roll is supposed to be sort of sexual or sensual and goth & glam bands are the only styles giving attitude and image in the '90s! So I decided to create a CD paying proper tribute to goth & glam together!


Glam- and Gothrock certainly are way above the rest when it comes to image and putting up a show. Eventhough glam and goth often are opposites, both are theatrical and a thrillto watch. Eventhough the opportunistic media decided to suckerpunch glamrock, under the belt, there have been an impressive underground movement feeding the starving fans. Was it difficult to find proper bands to fill the CD?

Yes, but not so much because of the theme of 'The Pink And The Black', but because bands never can get their tapes, contracts, fees, etc. into Delinquent Records in a timely fashion. Bands always drag on and on. Then there are some bands who change their mind at the last minute and then I have to find another band to fill that spot and it goes round and round that way.

That is true. Too many great bands don't have the ambition or passion to grow out of their garage. It's sad to hear those awesome demotapes, knowing that the bands lack the most important thing to succeed. As a glamrock journalist, I sometimes get the feeling that I'm more interested in promoting certain bands than they are themselves. They are too busy being cool rockstars at the local bar.

A selectionprocess always precede the final product. Which bands do fit and which doesn't?

Because goth and glam bands are often accused of being too focused on their image and not enough on their music - I picked only the bands who had well written songs, with quality and commercial arrangement, delivery and musicianship. So, recording quality of the song submitted is important - I hate to hear various artists releases that are not consistant. One band is louder than the other - or - two styles of bands are put next to each other that don't compliment each other. I wanted the disk to flow (from one band to another) and be easy to listen to; for instant start out with hardrockers and get everyones' attention and then ease up into more pop/commercial and then into the punk stuff and then into the experimental
music
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It's wise to not fall into traps of predjudices. Glamrock isn't focused on the image, the music is the most important thing. Image is just a nice icing on the cake. The both, do however, not stand in contrast to each other.

The Music on the Pink disc is very varied, stretching from the powerpop of Garlic, the glampunk of The Beauty School Drop-Outs to the industry of Undercover Slut.

Yes they are very much varied and I did want that on the CD mainly to give the listen plenty of styles to listen to and also so that the it's not put together to where it sounds like a whole disk of various bands playing the same song (there's many goth comps that way, and ever more glam comps where all the bands sound the same. I didn't want anyone to listen to the glam side (or the goth side) and say "Didn't we just hear this band" or "Is this the same song again"? I hate that in other label's releases and I wanted to make sure Delinquent Records gives the listener plenty of choice, quality and variety.

There are both positive and negative aspects of such a varied collection. The Positive thing is that The Pink disc show glamrock from many different views. The negative aspect is that the limits of the genre are maybe stretched too far. It makes one wonder about definitions of glamrock. What has Undercover Slut (Industry) together with Garlic (powerpop)? Why are they both considered as glamrock?

I define glamrock as any type of rock'n'roll which is guitar-oriented, the songs are positive and uplifting and fun!! Also, glambands do have image - the band wears stage clothes, light or heavy make-up and doesn't go onstage without doing their hair and giving the audience an exciting visual show as well as music.

I consider all the bands on the Pink disk to be glambands. During the '80s - I only thought of Pretty Boy Floyd, Poison, and bands like that being glam. Now glam means alot more - glam is what all hardrock of the '80s are considered now including bands like Twisted Sister, Ratt, and Cinderella.

Also, there is other new styles of glam. Such as Black Glam, which is what bands like The Loving Dead is - actually Marilyn Manson, could be defined as Black Glam. Undercover Slut from France deliberately calls themselves glam, even though they have a total industrial feel - bringing about the catagory of Industrial Glam, such as other bands like Lunatic Candy Kreep. Willow Wisp is a band that falls into the catagory of Experimental Glam
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To place bands within certain genres is a rather pointless work of dedicated fans. It is fun but it's also a way to concretize something as abstract as music. I agree on some parts of Chandlers defintion eventhough I don't think the industrial- , experimental- or black glam are neither guitaroriented, positive, uplifting nor fun. There were however a darker side of glam that the glitzy glamrockers of the eghties ignored. The Punk and decadence were exchanged for flash and pop, a trade that glambands of today still have to pay for. The Conclusion still have to be that the only thing, for example, Pretty Boy Floyd and Willow Wisp have in common is an outrageous image.

Right now, glamrock is standing at a crossroad. Which path leads to stardom? What lies ahead? Will glamrock comeback?

I think glamrock, image-oriented commercial hard rock, and glam metal will be coming back b on the scene during the next 5 years. Kids who were too young to enjoy the early '70s Bowie/Gary Glitter/Angel days & the mid to late '80s with Poison, Motley Crue, Faster Pussycat, Guns'n'Roses are starting to feel left out because their generation never got to fully experience glam.

The glam of the late '90s and into the year 2000 is not going to be limited to the styles of the '70s & '80s. I mean it's not going to be the same kind of glam - because regardless of the make-up and lipstick, multi-colored hair and painted fingernails with outrageous costume - there's the music. We've all been exposed to the industrial sounds of NIN and the alternative sounds of Bush, and the raw rock/punk sounds of Smashing Pumpkins .
So we'll probably see alot of black glam and alot of techno glam, etc. Alot of the hybrid bands mixing goth & glam together which I call The New Breed. And instead of a Pink & Black 2 - next I will do a CD of the bands who are crossing over this way.

I guess you all have read about the dispute considering PBF's "Saturday Night". Rumors had it that the Pretty Boys has been taken off the project but obviously it was false. Pretty Boy Floyd is on the disc. How did this "scandal" affect "The Pink & Black" project?

Well first and foremost, Delinquent Records used the song in good faith that the band had written it, or even if they hadn't written it, at least had the professionalism and courtesy to acquire rightful use of the song. I hated having to get legal and bring our law firm into the deal. It took some of the fun out of the project for the label - it also put Delinquent Records in a tough spot between fans of Pretty Boy Floyd. We received alot of mail that wasn't so kind from their fans, who didn't know the whole story and were making decisions about it without knowing all of the details.

And as far as getting things out in the open, I didn't want to air dirtylaundry between Aeriel Stiles and Pretty Boy Floyd. It was hard for me to comment on the whole mess without being liable for slander if I didn't answer a question in a certain way. But it is all settled now, the song "Saturday Night" by A. Stiles and T. Meagher will remain on the future pressings of The Pink And The Black and Aeriel and his co-writer will gettheir rightful royalties.


That was a true mess and Glitzine was caught in the middle as Aeriel Stiles personally got in touch with me to express his view. I wrote earlier that "Pink & Black" is an admirable project but is it successful?

Delinquent Records continues to see The Pink And The Black gain new fans and interests each week and interests in the sales, etc. is constantly renewing itself and hopefully the label and the bands will continue to see more success in the future. So, I feel that the success rate of "Pink & Black" is still going . . . . and hopefully will continue for several more years!

Well that is as good a sign as any. Hats off to Delinquent Records for a really good glamrock compilation.


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